Curse

Zeek Aran · Dec 01, 2007, 04:28 PM // 16:28

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Originally Posted by bhavv

since I need 3 necros pretty much anywhere in HM.

HA. AHAHAHA. Ha. You just failed, sir.

BlackSephir · Dec 01, 2007, 04:30 PM // 16:30

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Originally Posted by Zeek Aran

Explain this.

Take Alesia into hard mode. Cool, isn't it?
Or maybe you need another SS necro? Just take Eve... Oh wait, that won't
work D:

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And how do you know it's over 75% of the players?

http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forum...ghlight=heroes
79% out of 1048 people want to have full hero parties. I think it's a safe bet to say that it'd around 75% or more if there was some kind of in-game poll

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A company that makes the game you play said NO

And they didn't say why they said no. You don't see the problem? Wow, shocker

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You want to argue with them, they are not going to argue with you.

You mean a company doesn't want to talk with its client? Yeah, you fail at business.

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If you do not like the situation, either take a break from the game and comeback when you feel refreshed, or leave entirely and find a newer, better game.

Or I can stay here and talk about it. Pissing off people like you is just a bonus.

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The fact is, if your wanting to play completely solo, you have lost all community spirit and you shouldn't be playing an MMO anyways.

Spare me your bullcrap/preaching. I didn't have any community spirit even before buying GW and that's one of the reasons why I bought GW- because I didn't need crappy community spirit to play pve.

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I took a break, and then I cameback

What a shame

bhavv · Dec 01, 2007, 04:31 PM // 16:31

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Originally Posted by Zeek Aran

HA. AHAHAHA. Ha. You just failed, sir.

You fail. Pretty much everyone I know that is IVI or above and chasing the vanquisher title uses necro way and wouldnt touch anything else, so you can STFU noob. I've tried everything else. Relying on henchmen to keep a party alive NEVER works in HM outside of GWEN.

Lord Sojar · Dec 01, 2007, 04:32 PM // 16:32

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Originally Posted by bhavv

Im not QQ'ing about gwen im QQ'ing about the 3 main campains.

Ok, while I can sympathize with you on some of the heroes from the other campaigns, I will not say all of them are bad.

Take for example because of recent skill changes...
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Alesia

Because of the major overhaul to WoH and the nice buff to Healbreeze, she actually is useful now. Great for 3rd monk support in HM.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Seaguard_Eli
He spams DS, which has nice DPS. He isn't the best, but he isn't terrible (except for hamstring, but meh....)

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Daeman
Victory is yours.

Best Henchman ever?
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Erys_Vasburg
Answer, Yes

Just a few examples.

BTW, you need to use the EDIT feature please, your double/triple posting...

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Originally Posted by bhavv

You fail. Pretty much everyone I know that is IVI or above and chasing the vanquisher title uses necro way and wouldnt touch anything else, so you can STFU noob.

and your just plain wrong. That is untrue. You need 1, maybe 2 necros at most. One is SS, obviously. The second is a jagged bones minion bomber. That one is optional. Earth eles are great actually, and a good warrior helps more.

3 monks
2 earth eles
1 warrior
1 ranger
1 SS necro

Typical 8 man setup that mows down HM. Variations accepted.

Zeek Aran · Dec 01, 2007, 04:34 PM // 16:34

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Originally Posted by bhavv

You fail. Pretty much everyone I know that is IVI or above and chasing the vanquisher title uses necro way and wouldnt touch anything else, so you can STFU noob. I've tried everything else. Relying on henchmen to keep a party alive NEVER works.

13 maxed titles so far and I'm pretty lazy... haven't done much at all this month...
And I only use one necro at time. When you say you can't do anything without the three necros, you admit your own fallacy of the game.

bhavv · Dec 01, 2007, 04:34 PM // 16:34

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Originally Posted by Zeek Aran

13 maxed titles so far and I'm pretty lazy... haven't done much at all this month...
And I only use one necro at time. When you say you can't do anything without the three necros, you admit your own fallacy of the game.

Start vanquishing then come back noob. Necroway makes it fast, and keeps the party alive amazingly better then anything else.

Zeek Aran · Dec 01, 2007, 04:37 PM // 16:37

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Originally Posted by bhavv

Start vanquishing then come back noob.

Someone who throws the word noob around so carelessly... really shows your intelligence/personality.

Never used three necros. Current:24/33, 27/54, 16/34

Seems I can manage without thee necros or Ursans, unlike SOME people.

Lord Sojar · Dec 01, 2007, 04:38 PM // 16:38

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Originally Posted by bhavv

Start vanquishing then come back noob.

I think he probably has. Vanquishing really depends on the area, monster type, terrain (due to pathing issues), and skills the monsters use.

For heavy hex areas, run an empathetic removal monk with a woh monk and HB monk (the woh and HB have cure hex) for condition heavy areas, run an RC, WoH, and HB. Melee heavy = more prot, wards galore, blind.

For dmg, that is so Dependant on the area.
Southern Shiverpeaks, Fire eles rip it apart. However, those same fire eles /fail on perdition rock, so you change to earth, or sub in an MM etc.

Vanquishing isn't one build, it is build synergy and knowing your foes and how to counter and kill efficiently. Considering PvP experience actually helps in this matter, I would advise you get some.

bhavv · Dec 01, 2007, 04:39 PM // 16:39

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Originally Posted by Zeek Aran

Never used three necros. Current:24/33, 27/54, 16/34

And using 3 necros you would have been able to complete it in the time it took you to do that.

OFC you dont use them everywhere, but in general you use it in 90% of the time to make vanquishing a breeze.

Im Rank 7, rank 4 glad, and was in a top 200 GVG guild that split up during Prophecies tyvm. I quit PVP since all the mess around with party sizes, kill count, heroway etc etc.

Lord Sojar · Dec 01, 2007, 04:39 PM // 16:39

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Originally Posted by bhavv

And using 3 necros you would have been able to complete it in the time it took you to do that.

WRONG. JUST WRONG> Stop now, before you look worse please.

Zeek Aran · Dec 01, 2007, 04:41 PM // 16:41

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Originally Posted by bhavv

And using 3 necros you would have been able to complete it in the time it took you to do that.

OFC you dont use them everywhere, but in general you use it in 90% of the time to make vanquishing a breeze.

Im Rank 7, rank 4 glad, and was in a top 200 GVG guild that split up during Prophecies tyvm.

Stop bragging, mister attention lover.

I'm done [again] with argueing in this thread. It's pointless. Bai.

Lord Sojar · Dec 01, 2007, 04:44 PM // 16:44

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Originally Posted by Zeek Aran

Stop bragging, mister attention lover.

I'm done [again] with argueing in this thread. It's pointless. Bai.

/agree

PS: I am r10, but who really cares? Toodles. Have a blast begging fruitlessly for your precious AI induced coma.

bhavv · Dec 01, 2007, 04:47 PM // 16:47

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

WRONG. JUST WRONG> Stop now, before you look worse please.

How about you stop? This is the whole point with this thread. I can play the game however the hell I choose. For you to tell me 3 necros suck when its pretty much clear sailing for me anywhere in HM with corpses (I.E 90%+ of the game) only tells me that you know pretty much nothing about the way I play and just think that your way is better (Believe me its not, I try every possible build there is).

Quit telling me how to play the game and saying my way sucks when its a complete breeze for me. And before you ask why I want 7 heroes when I find it easy, Its because the freaking henchmen are still retards.

bhavv · Dec 01, 2007, 04:50 PM // 16:50

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

and your just plain wrong. That is untrue. You need 1, maybe 2 necros at most. One is SS, obviously. The second is a jagged bones minion bomber. That one is optional. Earth eles are great actually, and a good warrior helps more.

Its Jagged MM bomber, SS, and N/Rt healer. Works like a charm. I dont need earth elly heroes because I'm the only one I need lol. The N/Rt heals better then any Monk can fueled by the minions.

Daeman and Erys Vasburg are found in like 3 or 4 outposts each idiot. Its not like we can take them into prophecies or use them everywhere in factions, wheras we are stuck with Odurra throughout NF, and healing breeze monks and charge warriors throughout all three campains.

Simple enough, you dont know, understand or consider anything regarding this topic, so why keep posting?

Mineria · Dec 01, 2007, 05:54 PM // 17:54

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Originally Posted by Vinraith

Yes, they did, and they aren't thanked often enough for it by folks like me. I really appreciate that they did that in GWEN. In general I'm quite happy with Anet's design decisions, and in threads like this one I (and I suspect most of those like me) don't really want to come off as hostile to Anet. This is a really great game, I wouldn't care enough to participate in 20-something page threads about what could be done to make it that little bit better for me if it weren't.

Elite missions and HM are after-the-fact bonus content. I acknowledge that. I don't think I have a "right" to that content, necessarily. It would, however, be awfully nice to have the option to take a run at it with a full hero party. To be honest, I'd be happy with it if elite areas and HM were the only places you could get a full hero party. We aren't asking them to make it easy for us, it'd just be nice if solo players had a shot at these areas.

Elite Missions and HM wont be easy with 1 player controlling 7-11 heroes.
You wonder why I wrote 7-11?
Urgoz and the Deep.
Somehow I think that opening for full hero party won't solve the reasons, some asking for it are frustrated about.

I know you like to play alone, but I must say that I still find it sad, since I from that assume, that you got no good guild/alliance in game.
With good I mean working together and don't dis each other.
I was playing solo until spring this year, and can only say getting into a good guild/alliance really changes things to the better.
A good thumb of rule is to look for guilds where swearing, trading and offending in the guild/alliance channels is prohibited.

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forum...ghlight=heroes
79% out of 1048 people want to have full hero parties. I think it's a safe bet to say that it'd around 75% or more if there was some kind of in-game poll

Out of 1048 people, not 1,5 million or how many GW players there are in total.

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Originally Posted by bhavv

Its Jagged MM bomber, SS, and N/Rt healer. Works like a charm.

Yes.
But a full player party works even better.

Bryant Again · Dec 01, 2007, 06:08 PM // 18:08

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

79% out of 1048 people want to have full hero parties. I think it's a safe bet to say that it'd around 75% or more if there was some kind of in-game poll

Actually not at all!! To think that is absurd.

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Originally Posted by Isileth

*snipping out main point* But due to that I miss out on parts of the game. Having 7 heroes would change that.

This is something that can't really be helped. Like I've said, you could try managing what you need to do, what has to be helped, etc. But that's your personal live and none of my damn business so I'll have to leave that to myself.

If you really want to be able to completely solo these areas, my only recommendation is to get a friend or a random person, ask for him to enter an area with heroes set up to your specification, then he can just leave the game. If you're that serious about seeing the areas, that's my only suggestion. Sure it's a 7 person party, but it's better than nothing.

(I don't know if they nerfed this or not, did they?)

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Originally Posted by Zeek Aran

HA. AHAHAHA. Ha. You just failed, sir.

Could be profession specific. My warrior doesn't have much of a hard time doing HM with h/h.

That aside, I wouldn't consider GW an MMO. Not only that, but ANet has never specifically called GW an MMO, either (save for the only major resemblence stated above.)

bhavv · Dec 01, 2007, 06:18 PM // 18:18

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Originally Posted by Mineria

But a full player party works even better.

Its very easy to create a full player party to vanquish every area in the game. /Sarcasm.

BlackSephir · Dec 01, 2007, 06:36 PM // 18:36

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Originally Posted by Mineria

Out of 1048 people, not 1,5 million or how many GW players there are in total.

Interesting. So, in your country, when you want to know what people think about something, you ask EVERY citizen?

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Actually not at all!! To think that is absurd.

Actually, it's not. It would be if there was another poll with the same questions and 1000 people against 7 heroes.

Bryant Again · Dec 01, 2007, 06:41 PM // 18:41

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

Interesting. So, in your country, when you want to know what people think about something, you ask EVERY citizen?

It's comparative to having the Presidential Election in the United States and only allowing 5 people to vote from each state.

Basing a conclusion off of an *EXTREMELY* small minority is incredibly flawed.

Not to mention forums are a hive for QQrs, so it's very risky to actually listen to their suggestions.

BlackSephir · Dec 01, 2007, 07:07 PM // 19:07

Whether you like it or not, these QQers here and on GWOnline are vocal. And so it happens that the vocal majority wants 7 heroes.

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only allowing 5 people to vote from each state.

...
What?
Everyone can vote on GWO. Failed comparison.

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Basing a conclusion off of an *EXTREMELY* small minority is incredibly flawed

You say conclusion, I say http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_18...ted_guess.html